13 Big Lies in Kamala Harris' "Closing Argument" in Washington

[Beate Heister]

Vice President Kamala Harris delivered a long list of old lies in her
"closing argument" speech in Washington, DC, on Tuesday night, defying fact-
checkers and repeating false claims that had already been debunked during the
campaign.

Here are the most egregious of Harris's false claims:

1. Then-President Donald Trump "sent an armed mob to the United States
Capitol to overturn the will of the people." Trump did not send a "mob"; he
told his supporters to march "peacefully and patriotically" to the Capitol.
Rioters were already there -- but they were not "armed" with guns. Only five
rioters were ultimately charged with firearms crimes -- but they did not use
their guns during the riot. Few were "armed" with anything. And many of the
protesters believed they were protecting an election, not overturning one,
according to a Harvard study.

2. "He has an enemies list of people he intends to prosecute." No such list
exists, and Trump has pointed out that despite campaign rhetoric in 2016, he
refrained from prosecuting his rival, Hillary Clinton, even though she had
arguably broken the law with her misuse of classified information and
destruction of government documents.

3. "He says that one of his highest priorities is to set free the violent
extremists who assaulted those law enforcement officers on January 6." Trump
has never said that he would pardon violent people, or extremists. He has
said that he would pardon "many" of the rioters, on a case by case basis,
implying that he would pardon non-violent offenders. Notably, Harris herself
urged people to bail out rioters arrested during the 2020 riots.

4. "Donald Trump intends to use the United States military against American
citizens who simply disagree with him." Trump has never said anything like
that. What he said was that he would use "the National Guard, or if really
necessary ... the military" against "radical left lunatics" who tried to
disrupt the election. This is actually a common position among both parties:
Democrats deployed the military to protect the Capitol after the riot.

5. "I will always tell you the truth." That is never a good thing for a
politician to say, and it is easily disproven. Harris lied to the country
about President Joe Biden's mental state; she also lied about the
Charlottesville "very fine people" hoax in the 2024 presidential debate,
after being fact-checked about the same claim on live television in the 2020
vice presidential debate. And, of course, she lied in this speech -- in the
many examples above, and below.

6. Trump wants "tax cuts for billionaires and big corporations." As Breitbart
News has demonstrated in many repeated fact checks, the Trump tax cuts of
2017 primarily benefited the middle class, and actually imposed higher taxes
on some wealthy households, especially in Democrat-run states. Trump did
lower corporate taxes, but with the intent of encouraging companies to invest
more at home than abroad, and to create jobs for Americans.

7. "He will pay for it with a 20% national sales tax." Trump has never
proposed a "national sales tax" and would certainly oppose one. The term
"national sales tax" is how Democrats describe Trump's tariffs, which could --
in theory -- raise some prices. But Democrats aren't opposed to tariffs; the
Biden-Harris administration kept the Trump tariffs in place. And those
tariffs did not raise prices significantly; inflation kicked in when Biden
took office.

8. "He tried to cut Medicare and Social Security every year." This is a claim
Breitbart News has fact-checked before -- and so has NBC News, which said it
"has merit, but it omits some key context." His budget proposed some Social
Security cuts but not Medicare benefit cuts. Ironically, as Breitbart noted,
"the Biden-Harris administration has cut Medicare Advantage, which a majority
of Medicare beneficiaries use over traditional Medicare."

9. "He would ban abortion nationwide." Trump has rejected this idea at every
opportunity, saying that he believes the issue is best handled by the states,
which can choose whatever policy they want. That was the effect of
overturning Roe v. Wade in the Dobbs decision. Some liberal states granted
abortion until birth. Some conservative states banned it in most
circumstances, but in no instance were these "Trump abortion bans," as Harris
claimed.

10. Trump would "restrict access to birth control and to IVF." Again, that is
simply false. In fact, Trump has said that he would make government or
private insurance policies pay for IVF, which is the opposite of restricting
access. When Alabama's highest court made a decision that resulted in many
IVF providers refusing to provide the service, it was Trump who urged the
state's Republican legislature to convene to legalize IVF for hopeful
parents.

11. Trump "killed" a border security bill. This is another tired Biden-Harris
talking point. The administration was well aware that it does not need a new
law to enforce border security, but tried to blame Congress for not passing
"comprehensive immigration reform." When one Republican worked with Democrats
on a "bipartisan" bill that would have legalized migration at current levels,
the rest balked. They did not need Trump to tell them to oppose the idea.

12. Trump called soldiers "suckers and losers." This is an old hoax, cooked
up by the left-wing Atlantic and refuted by many, many witnesses, including
those (like former National Security Advisor John Bolton) who had broken with
Trump politically. Ironically, again, it was Biden and Harris who failed to
contact the families of the 13 Americans killed in the Afghanistan pullout,
and Harris never apologized for smearing Border Patrol agents as racist.

13. Trump "wants to put [people who disagree with him] in jail." Ambulance
sirens were heard at times during Harris's speech, and they may well have
been "irony alerts," because it is the Biden-Harris Department of Justice
that is still trying to put Trump in jail. Harris also spoke on the same day
former Trump aide Stephen K. Bannon emerged from prison after serving four
months for a contempt of Congress charge widely viewed as bogus.
Harris went on to describe Trump as a "wannabe dictator" and "petty tyrant"
in a speech that was as negative as any she has made in the campaign. Her
"closing argument" was little more than a partisan attack -- and a dishonest
one.

: Joel B. Pollak is Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart News and the host of
: Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot on Sunday evenings from 7 p.m.
: to 10 p.m. ET (4 p.m. to 7 p.m. PT). He is the author of The Agenda: What
: Trump Should Do in His First 100 Days, available for pre-order on Amazon.
: He is also the author of The Trumpian Virtues: The Lessons and Legacy of
: Donald Trump’s Presidency, now available on Audible. He is a winner of the
: 2018 Robert Novak Journalism Alumni Fellowship. Follow him on Twitter at
: @joelpollak.

[Bob F]

14 lies ????

tRump can do that in 5 minutes.

[Malte Runz]

Post by Beate Heister
Vice President Kamala Harris delivered a long list of old lies in her
"closing argument" speech in Washington, DC, on Tuesday night, defying fact-
checkers and repeating false claims that had already been debunked during the
campaign.

(snip to my pet peeve)

Post by Beate Heister
7. "He will pay for it with a 20% national sales tax." Trump has never
proposed a "national sales tax" and would certainly oppose one. ...

Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work. He has repeatedly claimed
that "We're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars from China in
tariffs!" He believes China pays the tariffs he put on imported goods
from China.
In the real world the tariffs are paid by the importer and eventually
by the consumers. It might not be the same thing as a 'sales tax', but
it is a tax put on certain products being sold, and the effect is
therefore the same.

Post by Beate Heister
... The term
"national sales tax" is how Democrats describe Trump's tariffs, which could --
in theory -- raise some prices. ...

No, not "in theory". How about you do your own research and find out
how tariffs have worked in the past. The /always/ cause a price hike.
Always! And it always spirals and ends up in a tit for tat
international tariff-war. Guess who ends up paying for it all. The
Trumps and the Elons? Sure...

Post by Beate Heister
... But Democrats aren't opposed to tariffs; the
Biden-Harris administration kept the Trump tariffs in place. ...

That doesn't change the fact that Trump has no clue what a tariff is
and what the effects are. 'We're going to pay for child-care by taxing
China!' What a dumb fucking idiot!

Post by Beate Heister
... And those
tariffs did not raise prices significantly; inflation kicked in when Biden
took office.

While you're at it, do some research on inflation. Ask yourself if the
inflation the whole world experienced, not just the US, was caused by
people having too much money in their pockets, or if it could have
something to do with a sudden rise in demand for all kinds of goods
after Covid had the world economy and production basically shut down
for more than a year. It's 'monetary inflation' vs. 'demand-pull
inflation'.


(snip)

[T]

Post by Malte Runz

Post by Beate Heister
Vice President Kamala Harris delivered a long list of old lies in her
"closing argument" speech in Washington, DC, on Tuesday night, defying fact-
checkers and repeating false claims that had already been debunked during the
campaign.

(snip to my pet peeve)

Post by Beate Heister
7. "He will pay for it with a 20% national sales tax." Trump has never
proposed a "national sales tax" and would certainly oppose one. ...

Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work.

Oh contrare. You are repeating propaganda narratives.

Post by Malte Runz
He has repeatedly claimed
that "We're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars from China in
tariffs!" He believes China pays the tariffs he put on imported goods
from China.
In the real world the tariffs are paid by the importer and eventually
by the consumers. It might not be the same thing as a 'sales tax', but
it is a tax put on certain products being sold, and the effect is
therefore the same.

Post by Beate Heister
... The term
"national sales tax" is how Democrats describe Trump's tariffs, which could --
in theory -- raise some prices. ...

No, not "in theory". How about you do your own research and find out
how tariffs have worked in the past. The /always/ cause a price hike.
Always! And it always spirals and ends up in a tit for tat
international tariff-war. Guess who ends up paying for it all. The
Trumps and the Elons? Sure...

Post by Beate Heister
... But Democrats aren't opposed to tariffs; the
Biden-Harris administration kept the Trump tariffs in place. ...

That doesn't change the fact that Trump has no clue what a tariff is
and what the effects are. 'We're going to pay for child-care by taxing
China!' What a dumb fucking idiot!

Post by Beate Heister
... And those
tariffs did not raise prices significantly; inflation kicked in when Biden
took office.

While you're at it, do some research on inflation. Ask yourself if the
inflation the whole world experienced,

Uh dude. 80 cents on the dollar of those tariffs have been
absorbed by the foreign sellers. When they get tired of
pay the tariff, the is nothing stopping them from coming
and manufacturing here. That is the idea. Jobs for us.

Andwhat a bunch of shit. Inflation is caused by liquidity
exceeding economic growth. Our inflation was caused by
Biden/Harris printing four trillion dollars to pay for
he idiotic "inflation reduction act". And the two IDIOTS
did it during a recession of their own making!

And the reason other countries are having the same issue
is the same IDIOTIC fiscal policies.

In Argentina, under President Milie, who cut and balanced
the budget, inflation dropped from over 200+ percent to
under 4 percent. GEE WIZ I thought inflation was a world
wide phenomenon.

And your idiot argument that Covid had something to do
with it is "Supply and Demand". Those price fluctuations
ONLY affect those products involved. Excess liquidity
affected ALL prices.

Biden/Harris STOLE four trillions dollars from the populace.

You don't want inflation, you balance the FUCKING BUDGET!

Post by Malte Runz
not just the US, was caused by
people having too much money in their pockets, or if it could have
something to do with a sudden rise in demand for all kinds of goods
after Covid had the world economy and production basically shut down
for more than a year. It's 'monetary inflation' vs. 'demand-pull
inflation'.

'demand-pull inflation' MY ASS !!!! EXCESS LIQUIDITY IS
THE PROBLEM! Argentina had exactly the same problem the
rest of the world had and they kicked its ass. Gee Wiz,
maybe we should all be able to print money to pay our bills.
They balanced the FUCKING BUDGET!.

If we do not do this, we will be left sitting in poverty,
with no jobs, surrounding by defective cheap Chinese
crap. And you will have successfully screwed yoour neighbors.

It is time to stop screwing our fellow country men by buying
foreign government subsidized crap.

Do you not realize we are in a trade war? China is trying
to destroy our manufacturing base.

[Malte Runz]

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz

Post by Beate Heister
Vice President Kamala Harris delivered a long list of old lies in her
"closing argument" speech in Washington, DC, on Tuesday night, defying fact-
checkers and repeating false claims that had already been debunked during the
campaign.

(snip to my pet peeve)

Post by Beate Heister
7. "He will pay for it with a 20% national sales tax." Trump has never
proposed a "national sales tax" and would certainly oppose one. ...

Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work.

Oh contrare. You are repeating propaganda narratives.

Do you need me to find videos of Trump saying that the US is taking in
billions of dollars in tariffs from the exporting countries?

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
He has repeatedly claimed
that "We're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars from China in
tariffs!" He believes China pays the tariffs he put on imported goods
from China.

It's not propaganda. Trump says it himself.

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
In the real world the tariffs are paid by the importer and eventually
by the consumers. It might not be the same thing as a 'sales tax', but
it is a tax put on certain products being sold, and the effect is
therefore the same.

Post by Beate Heister
... The term
"national sales tax" is how Democrats describe Trump's tariffs, which could --
in theory -- raise some prices. ...

No, not "in theory". How about you do your own research and find out
how tariffs have worked in the past. The [tariffs] /always/ cause a price hike.
Always! And it always spirals and ends up in a tit for tat
international tariff-war. Guess who ends up paying for it all. The
Trumps and the Elons? Sure...

Post by Beate Heister
... But Democrats aren't opposed to tariffs; the
Biden-Harris administration kept the Trump tariffs in place. ...

That doesn't change the fact that Trump has no clue what a tariff is
and what the effects are. 'We're going to pay for child-care by taxing
China!' What a dumb fucking idiot!

Post by Beate Heister
... And those
tariffs did not raise prices significantly; inflation kicked in when Biden
took office.

While you're at it, do some research on inflation. Ask yourself if the
inflation the whole world experienced,

Uh dude. 80 cents on the dollar of those tariffs have been
absorbed by the foreign sellers. ...

Bullshit! They don't pay a dime of the tariffs. Prove me wrong...
dude.

Post by T
... When they get tired of
pay the tariff, the is nothing stopping them from coming
and manufacturing here. That is the idea. Jobs for us.

I know what the purpose of a tariff is. Trump doesn't. He calls it "a
tax on China".

Post by T
Andwhat a bunch of shit. Inflation is caused by liquidity
exceeding economic growth. Our inflation was caused by
Biden/Harris printing four trillion dollars to pay for
he idiotic "inflation reduction act". ...

You need to read up on the topic. Maybe start here:
https://tinyurl.com/3f57634d

"In fact, most of the rise in inflation in 2021 and 2022 was driven by
developments that directly raised prices rather than wages, including
sharp increases in global commodity prices and sectoral price spikes
driven by a combination of pandemic-induced kinks in supply chains and
a huge shift in demand during the pandemic to goods from services.
Fiscal policy contributed to the inflation, but primarily through its
effects on consumer demand for commodities and goods in limited supply
rather than through the labor market."

Post by T
... And the two IDIOTS
did it during a recession of their own making!

Au contraire. "You are repeating propaganda narratives." The
inflation after Covid was global, and the US was among the countries
that recovered the fastest. Do you want me to find the stats for you?

Post by T
And the reason other countries are having the same issue
is the same IDIOTIC fiscal policies.

More bullshit. Here in Denmark we were even more 'aggressive' than the
US, and we're doing great. The monthly inflation rate was 1.3% in
September.

Post by T
In Argentina, under President Milie, who cut and balanced
the budget, inflation dropped from over 200+ percent to
under 4 percent. ...

[facepalm] You're comparing apples to oranges. The 200+ is the 12
months rate of inflation, and the 4 percent is the monthly rate.
Argentina's economy is in the shits. The 12 months inflation rate is
still over 200%, and more than 50% of the population is living in
poverty.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/27/poverty-rate-argentina-milei

The only reason things are slowly starting to turn around is because
the IMF was, and still is, helping them out big time and thus the new
government was able to introduce an austerity package that resulted in
$700 million, with an 'm', surplus. That number has gone down to
roughly $300 million. Do try to keep up.

Post by T
... GEE WIZ I thought inflation was a world
wide phenomenon.

It was. Shall I find the stats for you?

Post by T
And your idiot argument that Covid had something to do
with it is "Supply and Demand". ...

During Covid there was basically 'no demand and no supply'. When
restrictions were lifted world-wide demand for all sorts of products
skyrocketed, but the supply chain was not able to keep up, and
therefore prices rose dramatically and haven't come down. I doubt they
ever will.

Post by T
Those price fluctuations
ONLY affect those products involved. ...

Pretty much all products were affected. Name on or two that weren't.

Post by T
... Excess liquidity
affected ALL prices.

There was no excess liquidity.

Post by T
Biden/Harris STOLE four trillions dollars from the populace.

Bullshit. Nobody 'stole' any money. Read and learn:
https://umdearborn.edu/news/4-trillion-covid-packages-can-we-really-afford-it

Post by T
You don't want inflation, you balance the FUCKING BUDGET!

Tell that to Trump, who added almost $8 trillion to the national debt.

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
not just the US, was caused by
people having too much money in their pockets, or if it could have
something to do with a sudden rise in demand for all kinds of goods
after Covid had the world economy and production basically shut down
for more than a year. It's 'monetary inflation' vs. 'demand-pull
inflation'.

'demand-pull inflation' MY ASS !!!! ...

"Demand-pull" is the Keynesian economics term for an imbalance in
supply and demand.

Post by T
... EXCESS LIQUIDITY IS
THE PROBLEM! ...

No, it's not. The US monthly inflation rate is the same as it was
during Trump's administration before Covid. Many Americans still can't
pay their bills and food and gas prices are still high. Why? Is it
because there is just too much money in circulation? It's like you
have no idea what goes on, and what you're talking about. Even Trump
thinks he can lower the price of gas by producing more of it. He
thinks it's a question of 'too little supply, too much demand'.

Post by T
... Argentina had exactly the same problem the
rest of the world had and they kicked its ass. ...

No, they didn't. They have the highest inflation rate in the world.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

Post by T
... Gee Wiz,
maybe we should all be able to print money to pay our bills.
They balanced the FUCKING BUDGET!.

So, why is their annual inflation the highest in the world?

Post by T
If we do not do this, we will be left sitting in poverty,
with no jobs, surrounding by defective cheap Chinese
crap. And you will have successfully screwed yoour neighbors.

Don't blame me. I'm Danish, living in Denmark.

Post by T
It is time to stop screwing our fellow country men by buying
foreign government subsidized crap.
Do you not realize we are in a trade war? China is trying
to destroy our manufacturing base.

China's economy is fucked, but that's another story.

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Malte Runz
It's not propaganda.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin/Malte Rnz and a dozen other
forged socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by Malte Runz
is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Malte Runz
It's not propaganda.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin/Malte Runz and a dozen other
forged socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Post by Malte Runz
No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by Malte Runz
is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[T]

Post by Malte Runz

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz

Post by Beate Heister
Vice President Kamala Harris delivered a long list of old lies in her
"closing argument" speech in Washington, DC, on Tuesday night, defying fact-
checkers and repeating false claims that had already been debunked during the
campaign.

(snip to my pet peeve)

Post by Beate Heister
7. "He will pay for it with a 20% national sales tax." Trump has never
proposed a "national sales tax" and would certainly oppose one. ...

Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work.

Oh contrare. You are repeating propaganda narratives.

Do you need me to find videos of Trump saying that the US is taking in
billions of dollars in tariffs from the exporting countries?

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
He has repeatedly claimed
that "We're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars from China in
tariffs!" He believes China pays the tariffs he put on imported goods
from China.

It's not propaganda. Trump says it himself.

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
In the real world the tariffs are paid by the importer and eventually
by the consumers. It might not be the same thing as a 'sales tax', but
it is a tax put on certain products being sold, and the effect is
therefore the same.

Post by Beate Heister
... The term
"national sales tax" is how Democrats describe Trump's tariffs, which could --
in theory -- raise some prices. ...

No, not "in theory". How about you do your own research and find out
how tariffs have worked in the past. The [tariffs] /always/ cause a price hike.
Always! And it always spirals and ends up in a tit for tat
international tariff-war. Guess who ends up paying for it all. The
Trumps and the Elons? Sure...

Post by Beate Heister
... But Democrats aren't opposed to tariffs; the
Biden-Harris administration kept the Trump tariffs in place. ...

That doesn't change the fact that Trump has no clue what a tariff is
and what the effects are. 'We're going to pay for child-care by taxing
China!' What a dumb fucking idiot!

Post by Beate Heister
... And those
tariffs did not raise prices significantly; inflation kicked in when Biden
took office.

While you're at it, do some research on inflation. Ask yourself if the
inflation the whole world experienced,

Uh dude. 80 cents on the dollar of those tariffs have been
absorbed by the foreign sellers. ...

Bullshit! They don't pay a dime of the tariffs. Prove me wrong...
dude.

Post by T
... When they get tired of
pay the tariff, the is nothing stopping them from coming
and manufacturing here. That is the idea. Jobs for us.

I know what the purpose of a tariff is. Trump doesn't. He calls it "a
tax on China".

Post by T
Andwhat a bunch of shit. Inflation is caused by liquidity
exceeding economic growth. Our inflation was caused by
Biden/Harris printing four trillion dollars to pay for
he idiotic "inflation reduction act". ...

https://tinyurl.com/3f57634d
"In fact, most of the rise in inflation in 2021 and 2022 was driven by
developments that directly raised prices rather than wages, including
sharp increases in global commodity prices and sectoral price spikes
driven by a combination of pandemic-induced kinks in supply chains and
a huge shift in demand during the pandemic to goods from services.
Fiscal policy contributed to the inflation, but primarily through its
effects on consumer demand for commodities and goods in limited supply
rather than through the labor market."

Post by T
... And the two IDIOTS
did it during a recession of their own making!

Au contraire. "You are repeating propaganda narratives." The
inflation after Covid was global, and the US was among the countries
that recovered the fastest. Do you want me to find the stats for you?

Post by T
And the reason other countries are having the same issue
is the same IDIOTIC fiscal policies.

More bullshit. Here in Denmark we were even more 'aggressive' than the
US, and we're doing great. The monthly inflation rate was 1.3% in
September.

Post by T
In Argentina, under President Milie, who cut and balanced
the budget, inflation dropped from over 200+ percent to
under 4 percent. ...

[facepalm] You're comparing apples to oranges. The 200+ is the 12
months rate of inflation, and the 4 percent is the monthly rate.
Argentina's economy is in the shits. The 12 months inflation rate is
still over 200%, and more than 50% of the population is living in
poverty.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/27/poverty-rate-argentina-milei
The only reason things are slowly starting to turn around is because
the IMF was, and still is, helping them out big time and thus the new
government was able to introduce an austerity package that resulted in
$700 million, with an 'm', surplus. That number has gone down to
roughly $300 million. Do try to keep up.

Post by T
... GEE WIZ I thought inflation was a world
wide phenomenon.

It was. Shall I find the stats for you?

Post by T
And your idiot argument that Covid had something to do
with it is "Supply and Demand". ...

During Covid there was basically 'no demand and no supply'. When
restrictions were lifted world-wide demand for all sorts of products
skyrocketed, but the supply chain was not able to keep up, and
therefore prices rose dramatically and haven't come down. I doubt they
ever will.

Post by T
Those price fluctuations
ONLY affect those products involved. ...

Pretty much all products were affected. Name on or two that weren't.

Post by T
... Excess liquidity
affected ALL prices.

There was no excess liquidity.

Post by T
Biden/Harris STOLE four trillions dollars from the populace.

https://umdearborn.edu/news/4-trillion-covid-packages-can-we-really-afford-it

Post by T
You don't want inflation, you balance the FUCKING BUDGET!

Tell that to Trump, who added almost $8 trillion to the national debt.

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
not just the US, was caused by
people having too much money in their pockets, or if it could have
something to do with a sudden rise in demand for all kinds of goods
after Covid had the world economy and production basically shut down
for more than a year. It's 'monetary inflation' vs. 'demand-pull
inflation'.

'demand-pull inflation' MY ASS !!!! ...

"Demand-pull" is the Keynesian economics term for an imbalance in
supply and demand.

Post by T
... EXCESS LIQUIDITY IS
THE PROBLEM! ...

No, it's not. The US monthly inflation rate is the same as it was
during Trump's administration before Covid. Many Americans still can't
pay their bills and food and gas prices are still high. Why? Is it
because there is just too much money in circulation? It's like you
have no idea what goes on, and what you're talking about. Even Trump
thinks he can lower the price of gas by producing more of it. He
thinks it's a question of 'too little supply, too much demand'.

Post by T
... Argentina had exactly the same problem the
rest of the world had and they kicked its ass. ...

No, they didn't. They have the highest inflation rate in the world.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

Post by T
... Gee Wiz,
maybe we should all be able to print money to pay our bills.
They balanced the FUCKING BUDGET!.

So, why is their annual inflation the highest in the world?

Post by T
If we do not do this, we will be left sitting in poverty,
with no jobs, surrounding by defective cheap Chinese
crap. And you will have successfully screwed yoour neighbors.

Don't blame me. I'm Danish, living in Denmark.

Post by T
It is time to stop screwing our fellow country men by buying
foreign government subsidized crap.
Do you not realize we are in a trade war? China is trying
to destroy our manufacturing base.

China's economy is fucked, but that's another story.

And you failed economics 101.

[Malte Runz]

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz

Post by Beate Heister
Vice President Kamala Harris delivered a long list of old lies in her
"closing argument" speech in Washington, DC, on Tuesday night, defying fact-
checkers and repeating false claims that had already been debunked during the
campaign.

(snip to my pet peeve)

Post by Beate Heister
7. "He will pay for it with a 20% national sales tax." Trump has never
proposed a "national sales tax" and would certainly oppose one. ...

Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work.

Oh contrare. You are repeating propaganda narratives.

Do you need me to find videos of Trump saying that the US is taking in
billions of dollars in tariffs from the exporting countries?

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
He has repeatedly claimed
that "We're taking in hundreds of billions of dollars from China in
tariffs!" He believes China pays the tariffs he put on imported goods
from China.

It's not propaganda. Trump says it himself.

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
In the real world the tariffs are paid by the importer and eventually
by the consumers. It might not be the same thing as a 'sales tax', but
it is a tax put on certain products being sold, and the effect is
therefore the same.

Post by Beate Heister
... The term
"national sales tax" is how Democrats describe Trump's tariffs, which could --
in theory -- raise some prices. ...

No, not "in theory". How about you do your own research and find out
how tariffs have worked in the past. The [tariffs] /always/ cause a price hike.
Always! And it always spirals and ends up in a tit for tat
international tariff-war. Guess who ends up paying for it all. The
Trumps and the Elons? Sure...

Post by Beate Heister
... But Democrats aren't opposed to tariffs; the
Biden-Harris administration kept the Trump tariffs in place. ...

That doesn't change the fact that Trump has no clue what a tariff is
and what the effects are. 'We're going to pay for child-care by taxing
China!' What a dumb fucking idiot!

Post by Beate Heister
... And those
tariffs did not raise prices significantly; inflation kicked in when Biden
took office.

While you're at it, do some research on inflation. Ask yourself if the
inflation the whole world experienced,

Uh dude. 80 cents on the dollar of those tariffs have been
absorbed by the foreign sellers. ...

Bullshit! They don't pay a dime of the tariffs. Prove me wrong...
dude.

Post by T
... When they get tired of
pay the tariff, the is nothing stopping them from coming
and manufacturing here. That is the idea. Jobs for us.

I know what the purpose of a tariff is. Trump doesn't. He calls it "a
tax on China".

Post by T
Andwhat a bunch of shit. Inflation is caused by liquidity
exceeding economic growth. Our inflation was caused by
Biden/Harris printing four trillion dollars to pay for
he idiotic "inflation reduction act". ...

https://tinyurl.com/3f57634d
"In fact, most of the rise in inflation in 2021 and 2022 was driven by
developments that directly raised prices rather than wages, including
sharp increases in global commodity prices and sectoral price spikes
driven by a combination of pandemic-induced kinks in supply chains and
a huge shift in demand during the pandemic to goods from services.
Fiscal policy contributed to the inflation, but primarily through its
effects on consumer demand for commodities and goods in limited supply
rather than through the labor market."

Post by T
... And the two IDIOTS
did it during a recession of their own making!

Au contraire. "You are repeating propaganda narratives." The
inflation after Covid was global, and the US was among the countries
that recovered the fastest. Do you want me to find the stats for you?

Post by T
And the reason other countries are having the same issue
is the same IDIOTIC fiscal policies.

More bullshit. Here in Denmark we were even more 'aggressive' than the
US, and we're doing great. The monthly inflation rate was 1.3% in
September.

Post by T
In Argentina, under President Milie, who cut and balanced
the budget, inflation dropped from over 200+ percent to
under 4 percent. ...

[facepalm] You're comparing apples to oranges. The 200+ is the 12
months rate of inflation, and the 4 percent is the monthly rate.
Argentina's economy is in the shits. The 12 months inflation rate is
still over 200%, and more than 50% of the population is living in
poverty.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/27/poverty-rate-argentina-milei
The only reason things are slowly starting to turn around is because
the IMF was, and still is, helping them out big time and thus the new
government was able to introduce an austerity package that resulted in
$700 million, with an 'm', surplus. That number has gone down to
roughly $300 million. Do try to keep up.

Post by T
... GEE WIZ I thought inflation was a world
wide phenomenon.

It was. Shall I find the stats for you?

Post by T
And your idiot argument that Covid had something to do
with it is "Supply and Demand". ...

During Covid there was basically 'no demand and no supply'. When
restrictions were lifted world-wide demand for all sorts of products
skyrocketed, but the supply chain was not able to keep up, and
therefore prices rose dramatically and haven't come down. I doubt they
ever will.

Post by T
Those price fluctuations
ONLY affect those products involved. ...

Pretty much all products were affected. Name on or two that weren't.

Post by T
... Excess liquidity
affected ALL prices.

There was no excess liquidity.

Post by T
Biden/Harris STOLE four trillions dollars from the populace.

https://umdearborn.edu/news/4-trillion-covid-packages-can-we-really-afford-it

Post by T
You don't want inflation, you balance the FUCKING BUDGET!

Tell that to Trump, who added almost $8 trillion to the national debt.

Post by T

Post by Malte Runz
not just the US, was caused by
people having too much money in their pockets, or if it could have
something to do with a sudden rise in demand for all kinds of goods
after Covid had the world economy and production basically shut down
for more than a year. It's 'monetary inflation' vs. 'demand-pull
inflation'.

'demand-pull inflation' MY ASS !!!! ...

"Demand-pull" is the Keynesian economics term for an imbalance in
supply and demand.

Post by T
... EXCESS LIQUIDITY IS
THE PROBLEM! ...

No, it's not. The US monthly inflation rate is the same as it was
during Trump's administration before Covid. Many Americans still can't
pay their bills and food and gas prices are still high. Why? Is it
because there is just too much money in circulation? It's like you
have no idea what goes on, and what you're talking about. Even Trump
thinks he can lower the price of gas by producing more of it. He
thinks it's a question of 'too little supply, too much demand'.

Post by T
... Argentina had exactly the same problem the
rest of the world had and they kicked its ass. ...

No, they didn't. They have the highest inflation rate in the world.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

Post by T
... Gee Wiz,
maybe we should all be able to print money to pay our bills.
They balanced the FUCKING BUDGET!.

So, why is their annual inflation the highest in the world?

Post by T
If we do not do this, we will be left sitting in poverty,
with no jobs, surrounding by defective cheap Chinese
crap. And you will have successfully screwed yoour neighbors.

Don't blame me. I'm Danish, living in Denmark.

Post by T
It is time to stop screwing our fellow country men by buying
foreign government subsidized crap.
Do you not realize we are in a trade war? China is trying
to destroy our manufacturing base.

China's economy is fucked, but that's another story.

And you failed economics 101.

You believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariffs on their
products'. You don't know the first thing about different types of
inflation, you compare the annual inflation rate to the monthly rate,
and you make wildly wrong claims about the state of the Argentine
economy.
Do I think you're lying? No, you're just one of Trump's undereducated
minions, who couldn't be bothered to fact check the propaganda being
rammed down your throat.

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by Malte Runz
rammed down your throat.

Oral sex makes my day, but anal sex makes my hole weak.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Rudy Canoza
Oral sex makes my day,

You are a rampant public death threat maker and Suckramento dwarf named
Jonathan D Ball.

FOAD, you traitor to America~!

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin and a dozen other forged socks
of living and dead posters wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Malte Runz
You believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariff

You are a rampant public death threat maker and Suckramento dwarf named
Jonathan D Ball.

FOAD, you traitor to America~!

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/D.Ray/Henry Bodkin and a dozen other forged socks
of living and dead posters wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Post by Malte Runz
No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by Malte Runz
is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[T]

Post by Malte Runz
ou believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariffs on their
products'.

Yup. If they don't, they can't stay competitive and
they are gone.

Post by Malte Runz
You don't know the first thing about different types of
inflation, you compare the annual inflation rate to the monthly rate,

Hmmm. Okay, inflation just fell out of the sky and hit you on
the head. Absolutely nothing to do with printing money. Yup.

Post by Malte Runz
and you make wildly wrong claims about the state of the Argentine
economy.

Only if you are a cool aid drinking lefty who failed economics 101.
Balancing the budget and stop printing money: ABSOLUTE NOTHING
TO DO WITH IT! Flies in the face of your narrative, doesn't it.
Irresponsible behavior/spending has nothing to do with it!

Post by Malte Runz
Do I think you're lying? No, you're just one of Trump's undereducated
minions, who couldn't be bothered to fact check the propaganda being
rammed down your throat.

Ya you bet. Whilst you are swallowing anything the "Truth Ministry"
tell you, the rest of us actually know the difference.

Supply and demand is not inflation.

Inflation is when liquidity exceeds economic growth.

You have no one to blame inflation on it except your
own irresponsible behavior.

You get a F in economics 101 and a A+ in propaganda.

Which are you trying to recreate? Orwell's Oceania or
the Soviet Union or both?

¡Viva la libertad, carajo!
-- President Javier Milei

[Ed P]

Post by Malte Runz
ou believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariffs on their
products'.

Yup.  If they don't, they can't stay competitive and
they are gone.

Estimates are the average family will spend about $2600 a year more to
cover tariffs.

Will it bring jobs back to the US? Perhaps, but that $300 imported TV
will cost $600 made in the US. The first TV (made in the USA) I bought
in 1966 was about $169. What would it be made in the US today?

Look at the US employment rate. Pretty good. If we bring jobs back it
will get even better and we can bring in immigrants to fill the jobs.

[T]

Post by Ed P

Post by Malte Runz
ou believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariffs on their
products'.

Yup.  If they don't, they can't stay competitive and
they are gone.

Estimates are the average family will spend about $2600 a year more to
cover tariffs.
Will it bring jobs back to the US?  Perhaps, but that $300 imported TV
will cost $600 made in the US.  The first TV (made in the USA) I bought
in 1966 was about $169.  What would it be made in the US today?
Look at the US employment rate.  Pretty good.  If we bring jobs back it
will get even better and we can bring in immigrants to fill the jobs.

What a bunch of Left Wing Bull Shit.

Truth Ministry has stated ... so it is true.

Is there a propaganda narrative you have not embraced?

[Ed P]

Post by T

Post by Ed P

Post by Malte Runz
ou believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariffs on their
products'.

Yup.  If they don't, they can't stay competitive and
they are gone.

Estimates are the average family will spend about $2600 a year more to
cover tariffs.
Will it bring jobs back to the US?  Perhaps, but that $300 imported TV
will cost $600 made in the US.  The first TV (made in the USA) I
bought in 1966 was about $169.  What would it be made in the US today?
Look at the US employment rate.  Pretty good.  If we bring jobs back
it will get even better and we can bring in immigrants to fill the jobs.

What a bunch of Left Wing Bull Shit.
Truth Ministry has stated ... so it is true.
Is there a propaganda narrative you have not embraced?

Where is is bull shit? Tariffs raise prices. You say the exporting
countries pay the tariff. Sure you can't be that naive to think it is
not in the price? Like buying a new car, it comes with "free" tires.

Good made in the US are almost always more expensive, that is why we
started buying in cheap labor countries. We have cheap TVs and computers.

I also mentioned immigrants. The legal ones. Some industries, like
meat packers and farmers rely on that cheap labor. Any of your friends
work in the field picking tomatoes?

Easy for you to say this is BS, show some real facts, show some real
figures. Surely you have some.

A good factory wage in China is about 92,000yuan, of $13,000USD. How
does that compete with wages here? Do you think we can make appliances
for the same price in the store?

Show some facts, not just call it out.

[T]

Post by T

Post by Ed P

Post by Malte Runz
ou believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariffs on their
products'.

Yup.  If they don't, they can't stay competitive and
they are gone.

Estimates are the average family will spend about $2600 a year more
to cover tariffs.
Will it bring jobs back to the US?  Perhaps, but that $300 imported
TV will cost $600 made in the US.  The first TV (made in the USA) I
bought in 1966 was about $169.  What would it be made in the US today?
Look at the US employment rate.  Pretty good.  If we bring jobs back
it will get even better and we can bring in immigrants to fill the jobs.

What a bunch of Left Wing Bull Shit.
Truth Ministry has stated ... so it is true.
Is there a propaganda narrative you have not embraced?

Where is is bull shit?  Tariffs raise prices.  You say the exporting
countries pay the tariff.  Sure you can't be that naive to think it is
not in the price?  Like buying a new car, it comes with "free" tires.
Good made in the US are almost always more expensive, that is why we
started buying in cheap labor countries.  We have cheap TVs and computers.
I also mentioned immigrants.  The legal ones.  Some industries, like
meat packers and farmers rely on that cheap labor.  Any of your friends
work in the field picking tomatoes?
Easy for you to say this is BS, show some real facts, show some real
figures.  Surely you have some.
A good factory wage in China is about 92,000yuan, of $13,000USD.  How
does that compete with wages here?  Do you think we can make appliances
for the same price in the store?
Show some facts, not just call it out.

The Truth Ministry is a bunch of liars.

Comrade, if the foreign manufacturer does not swallow the
tariff (offset by their subsidies no doubt), then
they can't compete and they don't survive. Well, unless
they move their plants here. And that is the whole idea.

[Ed P]

Post by T

Post by T

Post by Ed P

Post by Malte Runz
ou believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariffs on their
products'.

Yup.  If they don't, they can't stay competitive and
they are gone.

Estimates are the average family will spend about $2600 a year more
to cover tariffs.
Will it bring jobs back to the US?  Perhaps, but that $300 imported
TV will cost $600 made in the US.  The first TV (made in the USA) I
bought in 1966 was about $169.  What would it be made in the US today?
Look at the US employment rate.  Pretty good.  If we bring jobs back
it will get even better and we can bring in immigrants to fill the jobs.

What a bunch of Left Wing Bull Shit.
Truth Ministry has stated ... so it is true.
Is there a propaganda narrative you have not embraced?

Where is is bull shit?  Tariffs raise prices.  You say the exporting
countries pay the tariff.  Sure you can't be that naive to think it is
not in the price?  Like buying a new car, it comes with "free" tires.
Good made in the US are almost always more expensive, that is why we
started buying in cheap labor countries.  We have cheap TVs and computers.
I also mentioned immigrants.  The legal ones.  Some industries, like
meat packers and farmers rely on that cheap labor.  Any of your
friends work in the field picking tomatoes?
Easy for you to say this is BS, show some real facts, show some real
figures.  Surely you have some.
A good factory wage in China is about 92,000yuan, of $13,000USD.  How
does that compete with wages here?  Do you think we can make
appliances for the same price in the store?
Show some facts, not just call it out.

The Truth Ministry is a bunch of liars.
Comrade, if the foreign manufacturer does not swallow the
tariff (offset by their subsidies  no doubt), then
they can't compete and they don't survive.  Well, unless
they move their plants here.  And that is the whole idea.

So you have no real facts, just accusations. You don't say anything
about cost to the consumer, the reflection on jobs, etc.

You are amazingly lame bringing up the same BS every time because you
have no basis for you nonsense.

[T]

Post by Ed P
So you have no real facts, just accusations.

Right out of the Rules for Radicals. Blame us
for what you do.

[Ed P]

Post by Ed P
So you have no real facts, just accusations.

Right out of the Rules for Radicals.  Blame us
for what you do.

Thanks again for proving you spout BS with nothing to back it up. I gave
you numbers but you refuse to do anything to refute them but your BS.

Check the dictionary for the word "gullible". They may have your photo
there.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Check the dictionary for the word "gullible".  They may have your photo
there.

You show up under every entry for TRAITOR!

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Ed P
So you have no real facts, just accusations.

Motherfucker you WILL go to trial for your TREASON!

[Kimberly Cheatle Roofing]

Post by Ed P
Good made in the US are almost always more expensive, that is why we
started buying in cheap labor countries.  We have cheap TVs and
computers.

Don't all those diesel container ships cause the climate change the
hypocritical Democrats are always crying about?

Anyway, CNC and robotics will bring manufacturing back home, if the
Demonrats get the hell out of the way.

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Ed P
Show some facts, not just call it out.

Fact- YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO OUR NATION!

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Ed P
Look at the US employment rate.  Pretty good.

Rhetoric our nation right down the line, I promise you will swing in Gitmo!

[Citizen Winston Smith]

Post by Malte Runz
ou believe the exporting countries pays '80% of the tariffs on their
products'.

Yup.  If they don't, they can't stay competitive and
they are gone.

Post by Malte Runz
You don't know the first thing about different types of
inflation, you compare the annual inflation rate to the monthly rate,

Hmmm.  Okay, inflation just fell out of the sky and hit you  on
the head.  Absolutely nothing to do with printing money.  Yup.

Post by Malte Runz
and you make wildly wrong claims about the state of the Argentine
economy.

Only if you are a cool aid drinking lefty who failed economics 101.
Balancing the budget and stop printing money: ABSOLUTE NOTHING
TO DO WITH IT!  Flies in the face of your narrative, doesn't it.
Irresponsible behavior/spending has nothing to do with it!

Post by Malte Runz
Do I think you're lying? No, you're just one of Trump's undereducated
minions, who couldn't be bothered to fact check the propaganda being
rammed down your throat.

Ya you bet.  Whilst you are swallowing anything the "Truth Ministry"
tell you, the rest of us actually know the difference.
Supply and demand is not inflation.
Inflation is when liquidity exceeds economic growth.
You have no one to blame inflation on it except your
own irresponsible behavior.
You get a F in economics 101 and a A+ in propaganda.
Which are you trying to recreate?  Orwell's Oceania or
the Soviet Union or both?
¡Viva la libertad, carajo!
-- President Javier Milei

Jonathan D Ball is going to swing from the gallows in Gitmo.